I Don’t Believe In Atheists

Posted: March 15, 2007 in Atheism, Church, God, Gospel, Religion

It’s true!  I don’t believe they exist.  There is no such thing as someone who doesn’t believe in a sovereign god.  I don’t care how much evidence you want to provide trying to validate their existence – I cannot believe that any person is a true atheist. 

Atheists do not exist.  They’re not real.  If there were ever a true atheist, they would not invest so much energy in trying to convince themselves and others that God does not exist.  The thought of God consumes them. 

If someone claims to be an atheist, I think they’re lying.  What they’re really trying to say is that God let them down, and they can’t reconcile how a good God allow such evil.

I simply cannot in good conscience believe in atheists. 

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Comments
  1. Simen says:

    You’re so cute when you’re in denial. Are you really so unsure of your position that you must deny that there are those who disagree with you. I could say the same about theists; that they can believe something so stupid is unbelievable. Still, it’s true.

    If there were ever a true atheist, they would not invest so much energy in trying to convince themselves and others that God does not exist.

    There are a number of reasons why an atheist would care about God. The most important one is that the majority of the world population believes in a god; if you didn’t have any knowledge of the concept, your communication with theists would be impaired. Belief has a significant influence on society, hence it’s important.

    Also, in my experience atheists tend to be more philosophically minded than believers. Many of us enjoy philosophizing about gods and stuff, even though we don’t believe in them.

  2. Juke says:

    As an atheist, I forgive your lack of belief. Consider yourself absolved.

  3. Heretic says:

    Simen-
    Welcome! I suspect you are an atheist from your post? Sorry if you couldn’t read the sarcasm through my post! While parts of it were fescious, I also think the post contains a lot of truth!

    May God Bless You!

  4. Simen says:

    Sadly, I’ve heard about people like this, so no, I didn’t get the sarcasm.

    I’m curious — what parts of the post do you think contains truth?

  5. Heretic says:

    Juke-
    Thank you for the offer of forgiveness. I now feel justified in my unbelief. ;)

  6. Heretic says:

    Simen-
    I think it takes just as much faith to not believe in atheists as it does for one not to believe in a supreme being.

    I think there are many “atheists” who proclaim to be such for the mere shock value of it. There are others who proclaim atheism because they’ve been hurt by the church or by religion. There are others who claim the title because they cannot reconcile how a loving God would permit evil. There are others who spend there whole lives trying to prove that God doesn’t exist, and for what?

    I don’t believe most atheists are seeking truth, because if they were seriously seeking truth they would find Him.

    You see, everyone has to have a sovereign. Whether they recognize God as sovereign or themselves, they cannot escape the need for a sovereign. Everyone must have a system of law. And in order to have a system of law there must exist someone with authority to give you that law system. Without a sovereign, without a law system there is no basis for good and evil. And universally in the hearts of men there runs a common thread of good and evil. So somewhere a sovereign exists!

  7. Simen says:

    I think your comment comes dangerously close to what the post acutally says. You say that atheists aren’t looking for truth, because if they were, they would come to the same conclusion as you. That’s really dogmatic thinking (anyone who comes to a different conclusion than me must not really be looking).

  8. Heretic says:

    I’m not afraid of being dogmatic, but I did use the word “most.” The problem with generalization even when using words like “most” and “nearly” means that there are always those that don’t fit the bill.

    My intent is not to offend for offense sake, but merely to cause people to think!

    There is much I don’t understand, but this much I know. There once lived a man who claimed to be the Truth. That man’s claim has undeniably changed the course of history. Some may argue that change was for the worse, and I’ll agree that much atroscities have been executed in that name. But in the end, everyone must make a decision. Either he was telling the truth, or he was a liar?

    Calling him a liar, does not excuse the need for a personal sovereign!

  9. Simen says:

    There have been thousands of people who’ve claimed to know the truth. As far as I’m concerned, none of them did.

    And just so you know it, there are many people who have no need for a belief in a personal god.

  10. Heretic says:

    I didn’t say claimed to know the truth. I said claimed to be the truth.

    You are definitely entitled to your opinion. Let’s just hope you’re right!

    One more thing: why do you warn me of my comments being dogmatic? Wouldn’t your’s be the same?

    Blessings! :)

  11. Heretic says:

    The true story of Coca-Cola -

    One day in the middle of the forest, somewhere in the eastern United States, various chemicals began collecting in a pool at the bottom of a huge cavern. As the weather began to change, a strong wind began to mix the chemicals thus causing a chemical rection resulting in a black, bubbly liquid.

    To further complicate matters in a separate pool other chemcials, namely aluminum, were coming together to form what appeared to be a container of some sort? What happened next was nothing short of miraculous – the wind swept up the black liquid depositing it inside the container creating a vacuum that caused the container to seal. Almost immediately colored liquids began falling from the sky landing on the container creating various patterns and shapes.

    A hunter who was out in the woods happened by the location that all of these mysterious events took place – and a shiny red object caught his eye. As he approached the object he saw what appeared to be a sealed cup with the words “Coca-Cola Classic” inscribed on it. He picked it up and it was cool to the touch. The cup said “refreshing,” and being parched from a long day in the woods he decided to try and open the cup and see if he could drink it.

    After thoroughly examing the cup he found a small lever on the top, that when lifted applied pressure to the lid of the cup. As he applied more pressure, a “popping” sound was heard and a hole opened up. As he looked inside he could see that his premonitions were correct – there was liquid in there. But he hesitated from drinking it, because it was black (unlike water) and bubbling. Maybe it was poison?

    However, curiosity soon overtook him, and he lifted the cup to his mouth and in one fell swoop he devoured the contents. It was good. It wasn’t just good – it was really good! As he looked around there were more and more of these cups on the ground around him. He gathered them up, and hurried for home, forgetting all about the nature of the business that had originally brought him to the woods that day.

    In his exitement, he shared his discovery with a friend who encouraged him to recreate the product and sell it. The rest was history.

    And that my friends is the honest-to-God true story of how Coca-Cola was created!

  12. I’ve never believed in atheists either. There’s a nagging sense all around us and within us that life is much more than we know and see.

    P.S. The true story of Coca-Cola would be a great post all by itself (rather than a comment).

    P.P.S. Pepsi was divinely created–perfect in every way.

  13. Heretic says:

    Curious-
    Welcome! Thanks for the comments. I think I’ll take you up on that PS – but I don’t know about the PPS?

    I’m a cherry person. Cherry Coke is supreme, but Wild Cherry Pepsi is good too in its own right. But I think the credit is due the cherries!

    Blessings!

  14. Juke says:

    From the post by ‘Christian Curious’ I’m beginning to sense what might be the deeper meaning of your article.

    If, as Christians, you believe that atheists do NOT have a “nagging sense all around us and within us that life is much more than we know and see”, then you are wrong.

    Atheism is the non-belief in god or gods, nothing more. The fact that we do not believe in gods does not preclude a sense of wonder. But for us Yahwah (or any other god) is not the answer.

    And yes, Cherry Coke is best.

  15. @ Juke

    I certainly do not doubt your sense of wonder. I believe our “nagging sense” is a search for meaning that can only be satisfied by knowing the one true God. All of us have it. Including atheists. And as you stated, atheists have decided that God is not the answer to the puzzle inside of us.

  16. Heretic says:

    Juke-
    My contention is that you have to recognize a sovereign. Someone or something with the authority to establish and uphold law.

    I don’t doubt your sense of awe and wonder. The article is simply a satire. Atheists state they don’t believe in God. I state that I don’t believe in atheists. Is my statement absurd? I guess that would be relative to who you ask?

    May you find the Truth on your search!

    PS – That picture’s a little creepy to me? I’m not sure why? Blessings my friend!

  17. Juke says:

    Ah, the law – something that the faithful are keen to ascribe to ‘god’ and something atheists claim is an invention of man. Well, we could argue that until we’re old and grey and still not reach agreement.

    I do not believe that gods exist, which as you know is different from not believing in ‘god’. I know atheists exist because I am one, but I am not required to believe in them. Is this statement also absurd?

    The picture is not intended to convey anything other than, perhaps, ambiguity so apologies for any creepiness.

    Thank you for your good wishes and may your god provide for your needs.

  18. Heretic says:

    Here is an answer I wrote in response to someone’s post on another site:

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Daniel-
    I’d like to address your question if I may. You said:

    People do not always behave as they ought.

    Then you asked how a jump can be made to the existence of God.

    My question is this: Who determins or determined how people ought to behave? Who or what has the authority to deem someone’s behavior as unaccaptable? Is it you or me? Is it the race of man at large? Has morality and acceptable behavior been determined by men or by something else?

    Only a sovereign being can establish a system of law. And in order to institute that system of law they have to have the power to enforce it’s infraction. And if that law were to apply to your generic term “people” – all over the world – would there not have to be a sovereign that is supreme? Or over all men?

    If you can’t buy the supreme part – ok. But can you at least see man’s need for a sovereign? Even if one determines that they are sovereign in and of themselve?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I don’t think this answers your question (Juke), because it seems you have already (self-)satisfactorily answered it. I just thought it applicable to this conversation.

    Aside: I’ll be ok looking at the pic! ;)

  19. brian t says:

    If there were ever a true atheist, they would not invest so much energy in trying to convince themselves and others that God does not exist. The thought of God consumes them.

    How do you know such atheists don’t exist? If they’re quiet, sensible, and just living their lives, how would you hear of them? They’re beneath the radar. They may even be in your town, posing as normal people! Panic Stations!

    It’s incorrect to talk of atheists “denying God”. How can they deny something they don’t believe in, or even the idea of? Or are you going to tell them they believe in YOUR particular idea god, but don’t know it?

  20. Heretic says:

    brian t-
    Welcome! I know they don’t exist because I don’t believe in them! They are imaginary just like leprechauns and ferries! I don’t know if I’d tell them anything, because I don’t think I could ever meet one?

  21. I love your sense of humor heretic! I love taking something like evolution and putting a new spin on it to show how it really doesn’t make much sense. I like how you turned the belief in God around to be belief in atheists too. Very clever. :)

    I wanted to comment on something Juke said in a comment above –

    “the law – something that the faithful are keen to ascribe to ‘god’ and something atheists claim is an invention of man”

    How can we say that the laws we abide by are made by man when every culture in the world has basic moral laws that areso similar? Not every culture has the exact same laws but there are cultures that have been studied that have no contact with other cultures in the world and they have very similar laws in place to those whom they’ve never been influenced by. How can we say that cultures all over the world can be united in ideas like this and then in the same breath say it can’t be because the Creator created us all?

    Just my two cents :)

  22. Juke says:

    momlovesbeingathome

    In fact, what is considered moral has differed widely between human societies throughout history. Things like incest, homosexuality, murder (infanticide and human sacrifice, for example) and all manner of other practices have been considered alternatively right or wrong. Even today there are differences. For example, in my society, the EU, execution (state murder) is outlawed whereas in the US it is acceptable.

    Even if all the laws in all societies were identical it would not be proof that a god created us, morality could equally be a product of evolutionary forces. It depends on what you choose to believe which is why I said, “we could argue [it] until we’re old and grey and still not reach agreement.”

  23. nullifidian says:

    “And that my friends is the honest-to-God true story of how Coca-Cola was created!”

    Wow! Blaspheming on your own weblog! You have some real cojones there! ;-)

  24. Heretic says:

    null-
    Welcome! I’m not sure how you construe that statement to be blashpemey? Maybe you couldn’t tell that it was dripping with sarcasm?

    Blessings!

  25. Heretic says:

    godless-
    Welcome! I’ll have to look at your post when I have more time. Blessings!

  26. Heretic says:

    momlbah-
    Welcome if I haven’t already said so. I agree with your take. There are foundational principles that all cultures hold as valuable. Even in societies that seem to condone killing, try killing a family member, and see if they think it is right? They don’t, hence they’ll seek revenge? Why else? Because they believe that killing is wrong.

    To Juke-
    I don’t believe that momlbah was referring to the minute details, differing interpretations or applications within various law systems, but the generic principles behind them that seem to resound in every family group around the globe regardless of there connection to any other culture. Amazingly, lying, stealing, cheating, killing, etc. are looked down upon in almost every culture – even though infractions are very prevalent in some, does not discount the fact that universally individuals believe that breaking the law is wrong.

  27. Well said in the last comment, Heretic! Thanks :)

  28. Juke says:

    Heretic

    I don’t think the things I listed could reasonably be called ‘minute details’ and there are all number of explanations for human behaviour
    which do not include a god. But there is already enough division in the world and this is a special time for you Christians so I will bow out.

    Good wishes and may your god go with you.

  29. Mike Brooks says:

    Fist of all, to all atheists, I admire your faith. Of course, I personally think it is misplaced, but anyone who can see the world I see and declare that there is no God has far more faith than I do, where it is relatively easy to come to the conclusion that God exists from what I see and experience.

    I see you hit on the concept of universal moral law, as C.S. Lewis does rather well in “Mere Christianity” (still one of my favorites), as a sign indicating the presence of an ultimate “good” that can only have been put into the heart of man by God. I, too, liked the Coca-Cola story. There are many signs, if you will, at least indicating the existence of something more than mankind.

    While I would not agree that atheists simply do not exist, I would say that the existence of atheists certainly does not mean that God does not exist. He can’t be “done away with”, much in the same way that anarchists can not create a world without government (perhaps in this light, I do agree with your inital post, Heretic). True anarchists say we should not have a government, which is in itself a government. If there were no law, then the strongest of us physically, or the most wealthy, or most ruthless, would fill the void of government by default. There will always be a ruler, it is simply a matter of who, and how the government is carried out. Claiming there is no God is in the same way declaring yourself a God, in essence still having a God….it’s just yourself.

    If this is your belief, then so be it. However, I know myself well enough to know that I am unfit for the throne.

  30. DWM says:

    Fun post with a wide-ranging collection of responses! Actually, if you read a lot (I do not say “all”) of the noisiest atheists (or should we call them “anti-theists”?), they do have a god, and they carry it around between their legs. Listen to people like Sam Harris (Atheist Manifesto) or Phillip Pullman (The Golden Compass etc.). One of their big beefs with religions–not just Christianity but most non-pagan religions–is that they impose a sexual morality that is the antithesis of the “freedom” they believe to be an ultimate good. Pullman went so far as to criticize the “Narnia” series of C.S. Lewis because, among other things, Lewis “…didn’t like…sexuality at all.” (see http://dedulysses.wordpress.com/2006/07/15/the-darkside-of-narnia-by-pullman/)

    The basis for the claim that unfettered sexuality is the ideal is not justified in reason–it just IS, like any good religious tenet. And the other religions are fundamentally “wrong” precisely because they contradict the foundational dogma of their between-the-legs deity. Fundamentalist atheism, in other words, is no different than any other form of fundamentalism in the offense it takes at being challenged.

  31. Jeff says:

    As G.K. Chesterton said, “Without God, there would be no atheists”.

    Chesterton had some great quotes.

    As a first time commenter, I think this blog is great.

  32. rational thinker says:

    Religous faith requires the absence of logical thought. Thats not meant as an insult, faith is simply believing in something that can not be proven. Your conclusions are based on feelings, intuition, heart, emotions, etc. And again im not trying to insult you or nor am i trying to disprove your beliefe in the god you have chosen to believe in. And by using my intuition ive concluded that amongst the hundreds if not thousands of different religions that have existed throughout mankinds history, you are most likely a christian who follows jesus christ and the lord of the old testament. I could be wrong though cause im basing my presumption on my feelings. Since you dont believe that athiests Religous faith requires the absence of logical thought. Thats not meant as an insult, faith is simply believing in something that can not be proven. Your conclusions are based on feelings, intuition, heart, emotions, etc. And again im not trying to insult you or nor am i trying to disprove your beliefe in the god you have chosen to believe in. And by using my intuition ive concluded that amongst the hundreds if not thousands of different religions that have existed throughout mankinds history, you are most likely a christian who follows jesus christ and the lord of the old testament. I could be wrong though cause im basing my presumption on my feelings. Since you dont believe that athiests exist, me stating that im not an athiest is unneccessary, but i feel i should anyways. I have, however, been a christian, a buddhist, an Religous faith requires the absence of logical thought. Thats not meant as an insult, faith is simply believing in something that can not be proven. Your conclusions are based on feelings, intuition, heart, emotions, etc. And again im not trying to insult you or nor am i trying to disprove your beliefe in the god you have chosen to believe in. And by using my intuition ive concluded that amongst the hundreds if not thousands of different religions that have existed throughout mankinds history, you are most likely a christian who follows jesus christ and the lord of the old testament. I could be wrong though cause im basing my presumption on my feelings. Since you dont believe that athiests Religous faith requires the absence of logical thought. Thats not meant as an insult, faith is simply believing in something that can not be proven. Your conclusions are based on feelings, intuition, heart, emotions, etc. And again im not trying to insult you or nor am i trying to disprove your beliefe in the god you have chosen to believe in. And by using my intuition ive concluded that amongst the hundreds if not thousands of different religions that have existed throughout mankinds history, you are most likely a christian who follows jesus christ and the lord of the old testament. I could be wrong though cause im basing my presumption on my feelings. Since you dont believe that athiests exist, me stating that im not an athiest is unneccessary, but i feel i should anyways. I have, however, been a christian, a buddhist, an agnostic, an athiest, a wiccan, have studdied tarrot, and astrology. I have kept an open mind and accepted some beliefs from each one of those, while rejecting some of each one as well. I do realize that my beliefs are illogical and based on my intuition. And although most athiests disbelieve for lack of proof and spiritual entity believers exist, me stating that im not an athiest is unneccessary, but i feel i should anyways. I have, however, been a christian, a buddhist, an agnostic, an athiest, a wiccan, have studdied tarrot, and astrology. I have kept an open mind and accepted some beliefs from each one of those, while rejecting some of each one as well. I do realize that my beliefs are illogical and based on my intuition. Logic is basically the mathmatics of an argument. The intillectual thought process that tests the validity or unvalidity of a statement agnostic, an athiest, a wiccan, have studdied tarrot, and astrology. I have kept an open mind and accepted some beliefs from each one of those, while rejecting some of each one as well. I do realize that my beliefs are illogical and based on my intuition. And although most athiests disbelieve for lack of proof and spiritual entity believers exist, me stating that im not an athiest is unneccessary, but i feel i should anyways. I have, however, been a christian, a buddhist, an agnostic, an athiest, a wiccan, have studdied tarrot, and astrology. I have kept an open mind and accepted some beliefs from each one of those, while rejecting some of each one as well. I do realize that my beliefs are illogical and based on my intuition. Logic is basically the mathmatics of an argument. The intillectual thought process that tests the validity or unvalidity of a statement. Atheists use a logical and rational approach to base and defend their conclusions. It is futile to argue against facts and logic when your argument of non intillectual means. So i can understand why people like you who think with your hearts instead of yoyr minds atrack those who dissagree with you the way you guys do. You cant defend your beliefe so instead of proving your opinion you attack those who disagree by claiming the disbelievers dont even exist. Lol wow! A statements vallidity is based on its contents, the statements speaker or nonexistant speaker is of no significance. An athiest does not believe in a god and defends his argument logically. Hes not foolish enough to claim that believers of gods dont exist. “I dont believe christians exist” lol christianity has survived this long by fear and encouraging people not to think. Again just my opinion based on my feelings

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